Giles Gray

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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

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  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  Giles Gray

  Ruby-"need I go on? she has been reasonable and respectful."

  No she hasn't. She hasn't apologised for the points I am refering to. My citations of what she said are after your references.
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  Giles Gray

  KateWild-" But glad to see you're fascinated enough to quote mine other threads and post my comments out of context."

  The quote I cited was your own. If I quoted you out of context then please show me where I have.

  KateWild-" It's nice that both me and cofty have our cheer leaders"

  I have never spoken to the chap.

  You brought him up. I just used your previous conversation with Cofty to highlight yet another example of your aversion to being challenged.

  I'd only been referring to your accusations to k99 and notsurewheretogo up until then.

  But to keep all quotes pure and in context, you accused them of wanting to prove you wrong.

  KateWild-" Notsure and K99,

  You have both got an agenda. You are both biased with views of your own. You both don't believe in a creator. That's fine.

  The problem with both of you is that you both think you are right and your agenda is to prove that on this thread."

  KateWild-" You are both trying to prove I can't explain my position."

  KateWild-"... you're both out to try and prove me wrong not show a genuine interest."

  KateWild-" The problem with people who want to prove a point online is that they like to hide behind anonymity and don't care about the people their talking to.

  When you first enquired I knew you weren't genuine...

  Your problem is that you're not genuine about your interest. Perhaps you think you are but you're not."

  Neither of them professed that was what they were trying to do.

  k99-" Myself and other posters have been trying to get this explanation from you, not as some kind of game, not to try and trick you but simply to try and understand."

  k99-" The only thing I will repeat is that I did not engage with you on this thread with some kind of predetermined atheist agenda. I have no interest in proving you right or wrong."

  notsurewheretogo-" I just want to echo these sentiments as they are exactly mine...I too have no agenda..."

  Yet you continued to be adamant and accuse them both. Dont you think you should publically apologise to both of them for accusing them of something they were not in fact doing? Particularly considering one of them claims to be your 'online buddy'?

  The implications of the observations I have highlighted about your response to others are quite damaging to your reputation. Whenever you claim in the future that people are unfairly challenging you, it will be tainted by your evident 'persecution complex', clearly manifest in this thread.

  This is true of your overreaction and subsequent false accusation of k99 and notsutewheretogo.

  Your paranoia of being challenged is overtly evident and because of this k99 and notsurewheretogo have been inappropriately and unfairly maligned by you. You haven't responded reasonably in the least.
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  Giles Gray

  KateWild-"If you want to you could do a bit of learning about the details in the OP and then formulate a specific question for me to challenge me or prove me wrong."

  In deed I could, but far more interesting is the defensive manner you exibited when you feared that others could challenge you to the point of contradiction.

  Your aversion to being challenged, or in this case feeling you were when you actually were not, has been quite fasinating to observe.

  KateWild-"But it doesn't matter, cofty has made a specific point to challenge my conclusions and to try and prove me wrong. He is pretty straight forward about wanting to provide proof. I don't have a problem with that."

  It would be good if that were true but you do have a problem when he challenges you. When Cofty has challenged you in other threads, you have taken it as an "attack" when he wasn't. Below is a classic example:-

  KateWild-"Your allegations are unsubstantiated, and I feel attacked by you now, just because I disagree with you it doesn't mean I am dishonest."

  I can read for myself he wasn't attacking you. I can also read for myself that both k99 and notsurewheretogo were not trying to "prove you wrong" as you accused them of.

  So your false accusations of others obviously stem from some kind of angst you feel when faced with being contradicted. That's the part of this thread I have found most interesting.
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  Giles Gray

  KateWild-"Giles you are not being specific. I explained my conclusion and they didn't feel it was an explanation. But I did. My OP explains my conclusions to my satisfaction. If it doesn't satisfy some people that's okay."
  

  I couldn't be anymore specific.

  But it really is true you don't like being "proven wrong". Or is it just an aversion to being challenged?
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  Giles Gray

  KateWild-"I did."

  You didn't. They asked you numerous times for more details. You refrained because you didn't wish to be "proven wrong".

  It's obviouse Kate that's what you feared, evident to everyone reading this thread.
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  Anyone in the UK know about this?

  by punkofnice in

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  one of my jw spies told me that a us jw speaker was visiting the uk.

  some bigwig, on a tv screen, i believe.

  sorry, that's all i have.. anecdotal i admit, but i was told he said, "you british think you are superior.".

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  Giles Gray

  SAH-"The British are superior....most think Donald Trump is an idiot, as opposed to the nearly 50% of Americans who support him."

  I'm not so sure we can claim being any better than the US considering that over half of the voters went for Boris Johnson. LOL
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  Giles Gray

  KateWild-"Yes you're right. That's why I don't do that. I haven't done that in this thread. I clearly gave details about why we can draw different conclusions based on the same scientific evidence. I did not refuse to engage at all."

  So why not humour K99 and notsurwwherwtogo and answer what they want, even if they are trying to 'prove you wrong'? What harm could it do?

  Then we could all be enlightened on what is a very interesting topic.
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  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  Giles Gray

  KateWild

  I'm not claiming you're 'wrong'. I couldn't possibly know. I was just picking up on your refusal to engage K99 and notsurewheretogo because you feared they were trying to 'prove you wrong'.

  To illustrate: I will take on your point and claim that I can 100% prove that a creator doesn't exist. Nothing. Zilch. There's naught there. But I'm not going to give you the details of why I believe that because I think you have an agenda and you are "out to prove me wrong".

  Wouldn't that reaction be seen as a little transparent?
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  532

  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

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  Giles Gray

  KateWild-" I publicly express my opinion and views regularly, and I have not been proven wrong."

  If you won't engage in debate with people then how can you be 'proven wrong'?

  It's the perfect defence when you fear you are wrong. If you don't give anything away you can't be challenged.
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  532

  I conclude evolution is guided

  by KateWild in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

  k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

  in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Giles Gray

  KateWild-"It can also be proof that you're trying to prove me wrong, and I don't play those games."

  KateWild-"I expect neither of you will as you're both out to try and prove me wrong not show a genuine interest."

  So you refuse to debate the details of your conclusions with other people because you have an aversion to being publically 'proven wrong'?